If You Missed Part one of this Blog, scroll down below this blog, and you will be able to read part one. Part 2 will make more sense if you read part 1 first; or if you could become me.
Part 2: The Interview With Boris on The Subject of G-d continued from Part 1: Where Bernard left off by confronting Boris with the question…"Are you saying there is no Evil?
Boris Dov Lanter, an American, New York Jewish guy, is an internationally known celebrity who had been a professional painter living in Kaasdorp (Lit: Cheese Town) Holland. He became famous not because of his paintings but for inventing, or creating, kind of a kitsch spiritually-material 'teaching' called "The Gift". When marketed "The Gift" outsold pet rocks, cabbage dolls, hula-hoops, and all the other previous worldwide fads and marketing phenomenon. Consequently, many spiritually starving, confused individuals look to Boris as a Guru; that is a notion, which Boris ridicules publicly, time and time again. Boris has "taken refuge" in the Buddha and considers himself a Buddhist. He takes his spirituality seriously: however, because he was born Jewish-is still a culinary Jew-and gets a kick out his Jewish brethren; he answers, "I'm Buddhish!' when asked his religion.
Because of his following, the continuing marketing success of "The Gift", and his outlandishly extroverted performances on celebrity interview shows, a major publisher commissioned Bernard Wisser to write his Biography. Wisser is world renowned for his hip biographies, the most famous being, the official biography of Mick Jagger titled "The Unrolling Rolling Stone." Boris and Bernard, who Boris calls Nardo or Nard, have been friends for years and love to diss each other; therefore, Boris agrees to have his good buddy Nardo write his biography; figuring, anyone reading his life story immediately will shed the notion that he Boris, is a Guru and will perhaps find a legitimate teacher or spiritual path.
The two buddies keep up there kibitzing ways constantly teasing each other and pointing out each others foibles, and flaws all during the course of the interviews, while working on the biography, and their 'raps' becomes interwoven into the writing of the biography.
Bernard has been trying to rein Boris in from the beginning; since, Boris has a tendency to meander, and has many tricky ways of seducing Bernard into spending time listening to his rambling anecdotes. Originally, Nardo had allocated two years time to writing the book but now five years has passed and Boris is only 10 years old in the Biography. It has become obvious they will not be able to cover Boris' whole life, so they are thinking about ending the book when Boris attains manhood with his Bar Mitzvah.
In the Following Chapter Bernard (the biographer) decides to break away from the form "I Do Art.." has taken so far, (if you can call it a form) and conduct an interview with Boris on the subject of his spiritual beliefs and his beliefs about God.
The Interview With Boris on The Subject of G-d
I have decided this Part will be conducted like a magazine interview. In case you have Mad Human's Disease and cannot put it together BW stands for me Bernard Wisser, and BDL stand for Boris Dov Lanter--enjoy :,justify>
Part 2 (Blog)
BW: Are you saying there is no Evil? C'mon!
BDL: Boy you really think I'm a dummy. Of course not! Evil exists in the special case of the physical world and personal consciousness; however, it does not exist in the Whole ( the Source) or Mind with a capital 'M'. And you can be sure Evil will continue to exist on our plane as long we think linearly, in terms of separate existence, and cognizable rationality; for, the greater our identification is with 'separate things', 'ourselves', 'ours', 'our group', 'our minds', the more its existence is insured; and, the more destructive everything will be. It is that belief in separateness that identification with the relative level of self and separate phenomena, that keeps expanding the suffering network.
BW: Hold it Boy! Let's take the cognition out of the picture; you have to admit the universe, even without cognition, is brutal. We all are pitifully aware that any minute an asteroid can wallop this planet, and wipe out most of the life on it; there are floods, draughts volcanoes, earthquakes, all kinds of natural catastrophes, and that's just talking about this planet. What about black holes sucking in everything in their vicinities, Galaxies eating up other Galaxies, Super Novas--what have you--destruction, nothing but destruction.
BDL: Words! Words! Words! You cannot separate the meanings that result in the word “brutal” from intelligent life, with its conceptual systems--and it's value systems--without painting a partial and very incomplete picture of the Universe!
You are neglecting the awesome beauty of the total field those events occur in, and are a part of. I know you are just being rhetorical; and I’m sure you know, all that destruction is a special case within the greatness of all of Creation. The laws, mathematics, and rules, which govern the universe, dictate that everything created has been caused by some set of locale catastrophes. For instance, from one point of view fire can be catastrophic, from another viewpoint it is a great blessing. Could creation occur without highly ordered, transmuting, destruction, and (so-called) accidents? Don't forget even freedom, and chance, are lawfully manifested.
Creation, (from our point of view) started with an AHA-Bang, which keeps banging away. That dualism of creation and destruction is actually a side effect of our thinking categories, and language, which can't handle the vastness of Holo-Reality. In language and thought categories, something that is one thing cannot also be its opposite; nevertheless, in greater Reality that's the case, like in the particle, wave riff..
BW: Oh very good! Do you realize you are laying down an ontological justification for the end justifying the means, and its bi-product fascism in this book, which I am authoring, no less. Thank you Boris! If I understand you correctly you are saying everything gets straightened out in the larger picture--even evil.
BDL: Pretty sharp BW, except your conclusion is untrue. In fact, we are talking about the highest form of freedom. Free will is a must for the occurrence of creative insights and the actions following from them. Creation, has created a cadre of creators, as if to expand it awareness. The feedback it gets from these infinitely numerous creative insights and actions will be ultimately embedded its implicate order; and are therefore involved in any new Aha!
In short the SOURCE was only limited by its own limitlessness. To transcend that it had to create limited intelligence within its own OMNI AWARENESS.
It seems to me also the Source appears to be attempting to expand itself within it own field, which by it very own nature dictates that expansion cannot not be finished, or depleted, in the sense that its evolution can not be depleted, because in fact it can only lead to further development or evolution
BW: Okay Boris, let's get away from this freedom, fascism trip! I'm trying to get at what your spiritual beliefs are. Like, do you believe in reincarnation, afterlife, heaven, or hell?
BDL: You are just trying to get me to trip out. If that's what you want that's alright with me. This should provide us with some fun. What I am about to tell your is an admixture made up of different measures of intuition, belief, and cognition along with their repertoires of conceptions--blah, blah, blah.
Reincarnation, afterlife, heaven, or hell makes for interesting speculation, but I can't take those issues very seriously, any more than I can take the Theory of Eveything seriously.
What is important for me is the spiritual richness of my life now, and that of humanity, in general. Listen Nardo, when our actions, and thoughts, are out of whack with Reality, suffering results, and that suffering generalizes outwards and inwards. Vice versa is also true: When we are in tune with Reality suffering is diminished and the ensuing state is generalized both inwards and outwards.
I find it most interesting that synonyms for suffering are prescriptions or antidotes for its cure. For instance, the synonyms for suffering in the sense of to bear pain is abide, brook, endure, tolerate, accept, admit, and receive; its synonyms in terms of experiencing pain, is to have, know, see, and sustain; Trying to hold-on to non-suffering, only increases it. Therefore, what you must do is act in harmony with the whole, while trying to optimize the richness of the illusional separate self. I say that because I believe the issues and states involved with reincarnation, afterlife, heaven, or hell are here now, right now, and we have never been separate from them, they are like different levels of consciousness.
BW: Maybe I can get you to focus a bit! Reincarnation, so...?
BDL: I had a thought about that recently, which I found kind of interesting. The Buddha (Gautama ) is supposed have recalled millions of lifetimes--or some very large number of them--anyway.
When thinking about the many possibilities that implies, I came up with the following: One possibility is when Buddha said 'in that lifetime I did this; or when he said, 'in that lifetime I did that; I have no doubt about the veracity of his accounts, but there are many kinds of truth I can attribute to any account..
For instance, we can also scrutinize what the Buddha meant by the word 'I'. In other words is that word restricted to the domain of Local Cause, and material reality, or does it refer to Holo-Reality where all patterns are interconnected, where materiality breaks down; and there are no separate things. If that is the case, it would be a true statement, because then all events, patterns, and states are interconnected. On that level of reality, all lives are one life. Hence, any lifetime tuned into and recalled is yours--at least in a an ontological sense. In states of meditation the Buddha may have tuned into the lifetimes of many different individuals--so vividly--that he had experienced then as personal recall. In that case, it would be correct to say, Buddha did recall his previous lives. However, they would not necessarily be his own lives from the standpoint of the special case we call our everyday reality: But it would be true from the general case of Holo-Reality. I was just playing with the idea of Holo reality when I came up with that. Whether those thoughts have any reality is not very important.
I like that idea because it is exquisite in relationship to Buddhist thought, as I understand it. But I want to introduce what I have to say now with a reminder that I'm a Buddhist because I took refuge in the Buddha, that does not mean I have an accurate or true understanding of Buddhist thought. With that said—as I understand it—according to Buddhist thought there is no true or lasting or eternal self. Self is just certain patterns of thoughts, feelings, and tendencies towards acting in certain ways, that have become, associated, connected, organized, patterned and habituated, by the reinforcement of one's attachment to the idea of being a separate self and the belief that there are separate things or phenomena. As long as one is attached to those concepts, the Law of Karma is active.
There is another reason I think this is such an exquisite idea. Buddhism teaches that, you, we, all of us, are the Buddha. What I take that to mean is that whatever state was present when the Buddha was able to finally totally leave-go of his attachment to the concept of there being a separate self and separate things, that state was always there, but it was masked by attachment and ignorance. All sentient beings are born in that triadic state of being the Buddha in ingnorance with a propensity for attachment. In short Buddhahood doesn't need to be achieved what has to be achieved is letting go of the concept of separateness and more importantly the belief in it, which is no mean task, but it seems to be achievable. Obviously self-reflecting intelligence is a necessary condition for that achievement to occur but it isn't a sufficient condition. That's just another way of saying you can be highly intelligent and remain unwise.
I imagine attaining Buddhahood is like taking off a pair of sunglasses, which you didn't know you were wearing and suddenly the world is entirely different. To experience the true nature of Reality you first have to become aware of the the fact the sunglasses are coloring your reality; then you have to break your attachment or heavy habit of wearing them; and, finally you must remove them. When you can take them off Reality becomes the same as it did for Gautama when he removed his sunglasses. One means of attaining that is to totally identify with the Buddha (or any other atavar) so that eventually you recall your life as the Atava, similarly, to how the Buddha did in his recall of other lives.
BW: How do you do that?
BDL: It's a multitudinous practice. But to answer you, one way is for you to do it, is moment-by-moment, imagining, feeling, and trying to behave as you think the Buddha, or Jesus, or Krishna, or Mohammed would behave in a very similar moments. In other words, you immerse your mind and heart in the Buddha. Doing so begins to modify your thoughts, feelings, and actions. You develop faith in the belief you are the Atavar (but so is everyone else). As your faith increases you, begin to experience differently. It as if the sunglasses you were unaware of wearing was also totally fogged up and you experienced everything through the distortion that implies; and then the sunglasses begin to defog through the heat of your spiritual passion.
At some point the individual practitioner realizes, there was good reason for the Buddha to follow practices of watching his mind since it easy to fall into mental habits. For example, the ways you immerse yourself in the Buddha can become highly habitualized, which means you become attached to those ways, and its rewards rather then immersing you mind, heart and actions in the Buddha and letting what ensues ensue. In this case maybe the phrase “watch out” should by changed to “watch in”! You can easily change from a person taking refuge in the Buddha to a person attached to the ways he takes refuge in the Buddha, which leads to the birth of spiritual kitsch. Kitch and Habit inhabit the same realm.
It's an ironic situation. At the beginning, your immersion in the Buddha or Atavar results in the breaking up of old stable habit formations. That leads to the start of your glasses defogging, but then, both the means to that state, and the attachment to it, develops itself into another set of habit formations that rigidify you, so that your glasses stop defogging, or begin to fog up again.
In my own experience, every now and then my lenses seem to clear up a little bit more now and again, after being a little foggier for a period. As my imaginary glasses clear up, my compassion seems to grow, and I am generally less fearful. My negative karma still plays itself out but I have become less fearful when hit with the boomerang effect of negative karma.
We all know some people who were born again into Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. Their vitality and growth on many levels was definitely visible at first. They seemed to be glowing.
That's usually the case with people who become extremely immersed and identified with Buddha, Jesus, G-d, Krishna or Mohammed. However, if you were to follow a large number of them longitudinally, after a while, you will find many of them adhere to their religious and spiritual practices, without spirit, and with plenty of ego.
Instead of inviting others to share their joy and enthusiasm, many of them try to coerce, threaten, and manipulate those they feel are on the wrong path, all in the name of their Savior, Avatar, or Prophet. Many of those people appear to others as feeling superior to those not on their path, while claiming they pity and suffer for them. Simultaneously they preach humbleness even when they don't seem to be humble. Self-righteousness, seems to become another survival techniques for these well intended souls. They start by feeling guided, and end up by trying to be the guide. Being with them feels like interacting with religiously programmed people.
Many others are neither controlling, nor martyrs. Instead, they just don't seem to be growing very much considering the time they have put into their spiritual practices. Nevertheless, they talk and act a good game, and most of them are sincere. Maybe they are just slow developers. Speaking of talking and acting a good game, I'm likely one of those latter types.
However, there are also those, who manifest their effort and imagination. Many of them serve others in a large way in order to reduce suffering; and still others do it with every contact they make. They are compassionate without making a big deal out of it, and yet it is visible, if visible is the right word. They are grounded and self-confidant, have a good sense of humor and are open. They show no signs of feeling superior to anyone; although, they may feel more fortunate then them, and are thankful for that. Their lives are examples so they don't have to teach unless that becomes their calling. Above all, they are extremely confident and compassionate.
BW: …. So is that it with reincarnation, are we through?
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It's the chapter in which the Hero get's interviewed on the subject of G-d--and I must admit it pretty much reflects my own developing views on I Am, I Am...
Boris Dov Lanter, an American, New York Jewish guy, is an internationally known celebrity who had been a professional painter living in Kaasdorp (Lit: Cheese Town) Holland. He became famous not because of his paintings but for inventing, or creating, kind of a kitsch spiritually-material 'teaching' called "The Gift". When marketed "The Gift" outsold pet rocks, cabbage dolls, hula-hoops, and all the other previous worldwide fads and marketing phenomenon.
Consequently, many spiritually starving, confused individuals look to Boris as a Guru; that is a notion, which Boris ridicules publicly, time and time again. Boris has "taken refuge" in the Buddha and considers himself a Buddhist. He takes his spirituality seriously: however, because he was born Jewish-is still a culinary Jew-and gets a kick out his Jewish brethren; he answers, "I'm Buddhish!' when asked his religion.
Because of his following, the continuing marketing success of "The Gift", and his outlandishly extroverted performances on celebrity interview shows, a major publisher commissioned Bernard Wisser to write his Biography. Wisser is world renowned for his hip biographies, the most famous being, the official biography of Mick Jagger titled "The Unrolling Rolling Stone." Boris and Bernard, who Boris calls Nardo or Nard, have been friends for years and love to diss each other; therefore, Boris agrees to have his good buddy Nardo write his biography; figuring, anyone reading his life story immediately will shed the notion that he Boris, is a Guru and will perhaps find a legitimate teacher or spiritual path.
The two buddies keep up there kibitzing ways constantly teasing each other and pointing out each others foibles, and flaws all during the course of the interviews, while working on the biography, and their 'raps' becomes interwoven into the writing of the biography.
Bernard has been trying to rein Boris in from the beginning; since, Boris has a tendency to meander, and has many tricky ways of seducing Bernard into spending time listening to his rambling anecdotes. Originally, Nardo had allocated two years time to writing the book but now five years has passed and Boris is only 10 years old in the Biography. It has become obvious they will not be able to cover Boris' whole life, so they are thinking about ending the book when Boris attains manhood with his Bar Mitzvah.
In the Following Chapter Bernard (the biographer) decides to break away from the form "I Do Art.." has taken so far, (if you can call it a form) and conduct an interview with Boris on the subject of his spiritual beliefs and his beliefs about God.
The Interview With Boris on The Subject of G-d
I have decided this Part will be conducted like a magazine interview. In case you have Mad Human's Disease and cannot put it together BW stands for me Bernard Wisser, and BDL stand for Boris Dov Lanter--enjoy:
BW: So you are a deist?
BDL: I'm a Source tuner. I feel I'm in, out-of, and inseparable from the Omni- Source. Moreover, I know that everything I see, and experience in this our relative world significant others, plain old others, animals, minerals and plants are all fundamentally the same as myself, in relationship to our source. That's not my intellect talking! That's what I have felt for a long time, at a very deep level, even before my intellect caught up with my feelings. At the same time, I have a deep and innate understanding that we (all things and beings) are acting out all the implications of possibilities within Perfect Intelligence. In a sense, we are agents of the expansion of what-- maybe it's something like Consciousness.
BW: I don't believe that answers my question. Do you believe in G-d the Creator? I'm asking because I thought Buddhists were supposed to be non-deistic and sometimes you sound pretty deistic to me.
BDL: I told you I'm not a Buddhist boy, and I'm not a Jewish boy, I'm a Buddhish boy. You might say I'm mid-deistic. However, in answer to your question let just say I see it this way. In the beginning there was the word and the word was AHA! Which was creation all at once playing itself out within the experiential Domain from - beginning to approximate end -to Aha! beginning-to...>
BW: Come on Boris answer my question.
BDL: No, I don't believe in G-d but I believe in a SOURCE that is infinitely greater than our limited concepts about the One Infinite and Eternal G-d. I find most concepts of G-d so anthropomorphic and unimaginative. The universe itself (alone), with all it infinite mysteries, is so much more awesome than our traditional and conventional concepts of its creator.
Although, I don't believe in the conceptual G-d, I still talk to The Source through Him, or Shazam, or Padma Sambhava, or anybody who looks like a good intermediary. It helps me when I pray, and it helps me feel like I haven't been stranded--with 99% of my life--my inner world--being lived alone--here in a galaxy on the tail end of the universe. And for some reason 'praying'to Him works for me in many ways far exceeding the reduction of my loneliness. But I don't confuse my imaginary Big Daddy, my savior Big Daddy, my liberator Big Daddy with the Source.
The Source is totally Beyond, imagination, and all Its signification's--no matter how poetically they are laid out. It's beyond awesome; It's beyond mystery, and yet It is totally Omnipresent in Its Beyond. No part of It, and Nothing that It is, is lost. Every action, every thought, in all Its domains, becomes transposed as energy or power. Whatever forms they take, they interplay into one big interwoven field where everything affects everything else--fields within fields--one way or another.
However, I realize my concept of the Source, is no more like It, than I am like It; and on the other hand (I am totally sure) both my concepts of It, and my identity are truly facets of Its constant manifested presence.
Before you interrupt don't you see the predicament your question creates? I'm trying to answer your question straight, but we are dealing with Multidimensional Reality which really doesn't fit language well. Our neurological system, through which our thoughts about the Source are processed, is just as impotent as our Language system, in dealing with Multidimensional Reality. It's too limited and too slow to catch IT, by its own indirect pathways.
So, I feel compelled to answer you this way: In the Never Begun/Never Ended Source something happened that--from our point of reference--is what we call the Beginning. The closest analogy that I can come to--for what that 'something happened' is--it was something like an Insight, an insight I like to call the Big Aha.
Biblically the Big Aha is called the 'Word'. In eastern thought it is called 'Aum' (Om); while; in the domain of physical science it is called the 'Big Bang'; and in quantum mechanics it might be called The 'Big Quantum Jump' by some philosophically perennial quantum physicist; however, regardless of what it is called, implicitly it is just one 'holo-whole'.
In David Bohm's terms it was the infinite explication of infinite implicate order. Hence, that insight--I call 'Aha'-- preceded both thought and matter, but thought and matter are the resulting explication of Aha; and both simultaneously transform each other into information which forms a feedback loop, that enfolds back into and in the Never Begun/Never Ended Source.
BW: Can you be clearer about what you call the 'Never Begun/Never Ended Source'? (To the reader: I wasn't being sarcastic when I asked Boris to rephrase).
BDL: Sure it is Silent Perfection that can be described by any descriptive term, or quality, which does not negate Its perfection. So to call it Supreme Intelligence is true; or calling it Supreme Love is also true; Supreme Compassion is true; also, calling it Supreme Order is true. However, calling it Supreme Disorder, Supreme Evil, Supreme Destruction is false because that is contradictory to the Whole in which they are explicated. Their implications transformed into knowledge and information when re-implicated in the whole, ends up as being part of IT's perfection, and the evolution of IT's Consciousness, in the form of played out possibilities, within its own different domains.
That's why most Guru's and mystics say, Cosmically all is in order, all is perfect. That might not comfort me in my domain where my Aunt's skin became a lampshade for Eva Braun but I see that it is true. In short both the good and the evil which men do becomes information fed into the feedback loop, where it is homogenized and harmonized in that big, endless Painting.
BW: Are you saying there is no Evil? C'mon...To Be Continued Next Week...
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